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Providence Chase
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by Toll Brothers
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Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington, PA-NJ-DE-MD MSA
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October 01, 2007, 10:01am

Buyer/Owner

Comments:

We are very disappointed in Toll Brothers.

We are very disappointed in Toll Brothers. The headlines of falling housing start numbers, inventory and struggling builders can't begin to describe what my family and I have been through with TOLL BROTHERS INC in recent days. We all know what rolls downhill, but Toll Brothers repeated broken promises and outright lies and threats to me and my family are unconscionable. As a conscientious member of the financial community, please take a moment to read my story -- and allow it to inform how you counsel all who deal with TOLL BROTHERS stock. The numbers on the ticker impact families like mine more than you know. This is what happened to me -- after we adopted two children from Ukraine and outgrowing our home in San Jose, we decided to leave Silicon Valley for a opportunity in Pennsylvania. We thought that selling our home here and buying a home In PA. would be relatively simple, and Toll Brothers employees told us it would be, assuring us that they would help us with a bridge loan while we sold our California house. Toll Brothers Inc told us to come out to PA and we could move into the house as soon as it was finished. They told us that they could do a bridge loan and we could sell the house in San Jose up to ~90 days after moving in. Four days before we were supposed to move in I received a phone call on the way to doing our final walkthrough. I was told that we could not move in. We had nowhere to go! Based on their assurances, my whole family was in PA with no place to live. The Toll Brothers project manager told us to find another place to live until the house in San Jose sells. We were not prepared for this at all. We had stuff coming from CA, we had our pets in kennels and pet sitters. It was now a huge mess. We were threatened by Toll Brothers that they would have their lawyers come after us if we backed out of the house we were trying to purchase. They also commented that they would hate for us to have to file for bankruptcy in PA. if we decided to cancel our contract with Toll Brothers. This happened after the first couple of weeks we were told we could not move in. Toll would tell us they could help get us a loan, the very next day they came back and said "Sorry but we can't get the loan now." Toll Brothers was charging us interest on the house as we were paying rent at another townhouse. With a wife, three daughters, dog and a cat in PA it was pretty tough to find somewhere to live. Luckily a co-worker offered to let us stay at his place. If he did not come through for us we were going to really struggle. Fortunately, Bank of America in California came through for us when Toll was continuing to threaten us. Bank of America provided the loan that we were trying to get from Toll all along. Bank Of America understood our goal and came through so professionally. I am sure we are not the only family going through this.

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March 22, 2007, 12:21pm

Buyer/Owner

Comments:

Purchasing a home should be an enjoyable experience, and initially it was. We had a great experience with sales staff especially the sales manager who was very knowledgeable, courteous and professional. However, once we had to deal with the construction staff, things changed. We identified a discrepancy between sales brochure and detailed plans and had to deal with the construction staff to get it resolved. We met with them many, many times over a week or two. During the meetings, the construction staff acted very unprofessionally including yelling at us. They also tried to make us go away by telling us that they would let us out of our contract. We were treated like the "bad guys", when we were the ones who found a mistake nine months before construction started probably saving Toll Brothers time and money in the long run . We felt that we deserved better treatment. A compromise was eventually reached with the help of the sales manager. From that point on our change request were quickly denied. It seemed like it was some backlash from us pointing out the discrepancy between sales brochure and detailed plans. When we met with the construction staff for the pre-drywall inspection, it was another bad experience. The walk-through of the second floor went okay, however, when we pointed out that a light was not centered in the eat-in kitchen, the walkthrough went downhill. Our expectation was that we would be able to request minor adjustments especially in lighting placement. In fact, that is what we were told by the sales staff. When we brought up the fact that one light was not even close to being centered, we were yelled at and treated unprofessionally (again). We were told something like ... we're not here to make you happy; we're just here to show you what was done. If it's not on our paper, then we not changing it... We spent more time arguing over the light and the process then it would have taken to move it! The walkthrough was a waste of time. This would be a good opportunity for Toll Brothers to improve the customer's experience. Let us make minor changes like adjusting the placement of lights. These things are not as easy to see on paper as they are in person. We identified issues at the pre-drywall inspection that were ignored initially, and they became more difficult to fix later on. There was a pipe in laundry room wall that was protruding. I notified the construction staff as soon as I noticed it. I was told that it would be fixed before drywall was installed. Drywall was place on it anyway which caused a huge bow. This was still being repaired three weeks after settlement. We also identified problems with the position of the lolly-poles in the garage. They were hanging over the apron. The "fix" was to cut-out and re-pour the apron. Now there is a seam in the concrete between the apron and the garage floor that will undoubtedly cause issue in the future when the concrete expands and contracts. The flood light option was initially missed and installed later. The floodlights above the garage where installed very low. We were told that this is "code", however, other homes next to us are not installed that way. As construction continued, we caught subcontractors urinating on the sub-floor in our house and neighboring houses on several occasions. We brought it up several times, and we suggested placing port-o-potties nearby because the closet one was too far away; but nothing was done about it. Toll Brothers should pay closer attention to the subcontractors they hire. During a severe rainstorm, our dining room window and kitchen slider were left open. When we saw the hardwood floor the next day, there were puddles of rain on the cardboard that was on top of it, and the hardwood floor was extremely we underneath. I'm not sure what damaged this could cause, but I know that hardwood floors are not supposed to get wet. We reported several construction issues along the way, but we did not get much feedback on our questions/concerns. We monitored the construction progress of the house. When we noticed something that didn't seem right, we brought it up with the sales staff, and they wrote it up. For example, damaged window panes, wet hardwood floor, missing insulation, cracked sidewalk, incorrect daylight basement railings installed, etc. We did not get a lot of feedback on the items. Some items were fixed, but we didn't know ahead of time whether they would be or not. This may be another area that Toll Brothers can improve. The pre-settlement inspection went well. We were treated with respect and there was no yelling. The construction staff agreed to fix the items that we pointed out. The final inspection was a disaster. I'm not sure what happened between the pre-settlement walkthrough and the final walkthrough, but many of the items that were supposed to be